Welcome back Guardians. With the leak of the Destiny 2 audio files, one specific audio file has captured the attention of many, specifically the one that says, “Okay here me out. What if Oryx isn’t dead?”, combine this with the Hive experiments being conducted on Titan and people have started to question whether it is possible for Oryx to return.
If you are familiar with the Books of Sorrow you likely already know the answer to this question, however I wanted to give a detailed explanation why Oryx will not return in Destiny 2.
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To understand if it is possible for Oryx to return, you need to understand the Books of Sorrow which was released with the Taken King in Destiny 1. The Books of Sorrow are essentially “diary” entries from Oryx; they detail the history of the Hive mostly written from Oryx’s perspective. However, some entries are written from the perspective of other major Hive characters.
There are 52 entries that can be collected in Destiny 1 by finding all of the Calcified Fragments. Each Calcified Fragment provides a new entry in the Books of Sorrow. We don’t really know what Calcified fragments are however when we take them to Eris Morn, she confirms that they tell the story of the Hive. The exotic quest line for Touch of Malice reads,
“The Hive… were not always as they are. They were once… something else. These fragments speak of that past. Morgath, Lore keeper will know more.”- Eris Morn.
Essentially, we collect these Calcified Fragments by exploring the Dreadnaught and defeating Oryx’s most powerful soldiers. As we collect the Calcified Fragments we begin to unlock more and more diary entries from Oryx and begin to understand the history of the Hive. Each entry is numbered with Verses so that the story of the Hive can be read chronologically, together the Verses form the Books of Sorrow. For example, Verse 1:0- Fundament is the first entry of the Books of Sorrow and describes the earliest known documentation of the Hive. Verse 5:9 is the final verse and concludes the Books of Sorrow.
Certain verses in the Books of Sorrow explain how the Hive can prevent death with the use of Throne worlds and understanding how the Throne worlds work will provide clues to whether Oryx can return from death in Destiny 2. The first mention of Thone worlds is in Verse 2:7 where Auryx, the previous name of Oryx before he was the Taken King, is killed by his Sister, Savathun. Savathun kills Auryx because Auryx tried negotiating with a species known as the Ammonites rather than just destroying them. Upon being killed the Verse reads,
Savathûn’s betrayal is the greatest gift she could offer you.
Your body is gone, but you have endured. Safe in the cyst universe created by your own might — your throne world.
From this day forward, Auryx, you and your sisters will each survive death — so long as you aren’t killed in your own throne.
We don’t really know why a throne world was automatically created upon Aurxy’s first death however the previous verse explains how the worm gods taught Auryx to call upon the Deep, i.e. the darkness. It reads,
We will not give you the Deep, King Auryx — that power is for us, your gods. But we will teach you to call upon that force with signs and rituals.
Small minds might call it magic.
You are no longer bound by causal closure. Your will defeats law. Kill a hundred of your children with a long blade, Auryx, and observe the change in the blade. Observe how the universe shrinks from you in terror.
Your existence begins to define itself.
This is the basic premise of the Sword Logic, that killing makes you more powerful and future verses will also explain how this is the philosophy of the deep, ie the darkness, to create a perfect universe by removing anything that is weak. It seems that this knowledge and power is what prevented Oryx’s first death and helped to create his throne world.
A few verses later, Savathun would gain a greater understanding of how to use the sword logic allowing the Hive to create their own wounds, i.e. portals, into other dimensions. This allowed them to travel into their Throne worlds. Verse 3:1 reads,
SAVATHÛN said, Auryx my brother and king, I have studied the wounds cut by the Worm our God. Also I have studied the manner of your death and return. These two things are the same, for they are predicated on death and the passage through cut spaces. Let us practice the sword logic until we are sharp. We may then cut our own wounds and step through.
Sayeth AURYX, this is where I went when I died. Let us establish our thrones here. For I am Auryx the First Navigator and I shall chart death. And my throne shall be carved of osmium.
So from this point on, the Hive gods have Throne worlds and they cannot be truly killed unless they are defeated in their own throne world. This is seen in game both with Crota and with Oryx. We go into Crota’s throne world in the raid by passing through the abyss and we go into Oryx’s throne world by passing through a portal on the Dreadnaught.
Now, we have enough information to answer the question, can Oryx return?
The fact that we kill Oryx in his throne world should make it impossible for Oryx to return. However, there are a couple of rebuttals to this, and that is that the Dreadnaught is a very unique throne world, it is not typical of other throne worlds. It is tough to explain so just have a listen to Verse 4:11 from the Books of Sorrow.
To make his ship, Oryx scrimshawed one piece of Akka, who was dead but far from gone. He stole the Hammer of Xivu Arath and the Scalpel of Savathûn and he armored his ship in baneful armor.
When Oryx had built his Dreadnaught, he pushed his throne world inside out, so that it bled into the material space of the Dreadnaught. They were coterminous and allied, his ship and his sin. The Dreadnaught was within the throne of Oryx, but the throne of Oryx was the Dreadnaught. Aiat!
So I guess, you could argue that the Dreadnaught is not really a typically throne world and maybe in some way, this protected Oryx’s death. Personally, I believe we did defeat Oryx in his throne world which means he is perma dead.
However, there is still another rebuttal and that is people often recall that Savathun and Xivu Arath, Oryx’s siblings were killed in a throne world, however later revived them. Verse 3:9 Carved in Ruin describes the resurrection of Savathun and Xivu Arath, it reads,
Oryx made war on the Ecumene for a hundred years. At the end of those hundred years he killed the Ecumene Council on the Fractal Wreath, and from their blood rose Xivu Arath, saying, “I am war, and you have conjured me back with war.”
Oryx was glad, for he loved Xivu Arath. The Ecumene wailed in grief.
Then Oryx and Xivu Arath made war on the Ecumene for forty years. At the end of those forty years Oryx said to the Dakaua Nest, listen, I am jealous of my sibling Xivu Arath, help me kill her. And in desperation they agreed.
But he drove the Dakaua Nest into a trap, and they were made extinct. From their ashes rose cunning Savathûn, saying, “I am trickery, and you have conjured me back with trickery.”
Even though Savathun and Xivu Arath were revived, it is important to note that they were killed in Oryx’s throne world, not killed in their throne world. To truly kill Savathun you have to kill her in Savathun’s throne world, and Xivu needs to be killed in his own throne world. In Verse 3:6 of the Books of Sorrow, it clearly states that the siblings are killed in Oryx’s throne world, it reads,
Beneath a green fire sky, in the throne-world of King Auryx, our lords embrace. Then kill me,” says Xivu Arath, “and use that killing logic, the power you prove by killing something as mighty as me.”
So King Auryx took up his blade and beheaded Xivu Arath.
“And strangle me,” says Savathûn, holding a blade behind her back. “Use that killing logic, the cunning you prove by killing something as smart as me.”
But King Auryx turned with the speed and might of Xivu Arath, and beheaded Savathûn before she could move. King Auryx was the First Navigator, with the map of death.
As you can see they were killed in Oryx’s throne world, meaning that they could be revived at a later time. However, the most confusing part of this verse is the second last sentence, it says,
These were true deaths, for they happened in the sword world
And that gives the impression that they were permanently killed and then obviously Oryx brought them back to life later.
Personally, I take the approach that Savathun and Xivu Arath were killed in Oryx’s throne world and therefore it was always possible to summon them back. Consequently, because we kill Oryx in his throne world, I think it very unlikely for Oryx to return in the future.
That being said, I think there are some loop holes were Destiny 2 or future releases could write Oryx back into the storyline, I don’t think it will happen, however we have seen other Hive characters return without any explanation, for example, Omnigul who returned in Destiny 1 by undoing her death. Combine this with the unique nature of the Dreadnaught and the fact that Destiny 1’s lore is not really considered canon anymore and is subject to change, I can see why some think Oryx will return.
Lastly, what about Touch of Malice? Didn’t we make touch of Malice that ensures Oryx lives forever? Where is Touch of Malice, was it lost to the Cabal? The short answer is, I personally believe Touch of Malice continues Oryx’s philosophy, the sword logic taught to him, kill to become more powerful and kill to prove you are a part of the final universe, and essentially guardians continue that philosophy by continuing to destroy any species that crosses us. To get a more detailed perspective on the touch of malice, I suggest watching my lore video about Touch of Malice.
To understand more about the Ravenous Heart, the centre piece of the Touch of Malice, I suggest watching my Black Garden Video. Whilst I do think it possible that the Ravenous Heart, which is an essential component to creating the Touch of Malice is worm related, I don’t think that even if the Hive found the Touch of Malice and the heart of Oryx, that it could be used to resurrect him. As far as I am aware, we have not seen any evidence of using the Hive worms to resurrect gods, then again, maybe that is what they are trying to work out on Titan?
There you have it, that is why I do not think oryx will ever return to Destiny, if you would like to support the channel leave the phrase throne world, to represent that we killed Oryx in his throne world preventing his resurrection in the future. As usual it has been a pleasure, this is myelin games peace.