Are the Ahamkara the Worms?


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Welcome back guardians. Today, I wanted to cover a topic that I have received many questions about. The ahamkara or the Aa-hem-ka, which is the Hindu pronunciation, meaning ego. I have previously made a video about the Ahamkara however that was prior to the Taken King release.

The new grimoire cards, specifically the Book of Sorrows, raised the question; are the Ahamkara in fact the Worms. For this topic, I will provide the evidence FOR and then the evidence AGAINST the ahamkara and the worms being the same. The video will end with my own opinion.

Thank fully, most of the hard work has already been completed by two very well presented Reddit posts. I will leave links to both posts in the description so you can read them. The argument for the Worms being the same as the Ahamkara is by Anapollosum and the argument against is by FacelessRuin. I will also add some of my own evidence that I have not previously seen discussed. Lastly, a warning about the end of the video which discusses some disturbing real world concepts, however I will give another warning when we are closer to that section.

Let’s begin with the argument FOR, the Ahamkara ARE the same as the Worms or at the very least the same species.

The first piece of evidence that most people stumbled upon is Book of Sorrows, Verse 1:5 The Needle and the Worm. Sathona, Oryx’s sister, gains possession of a white worm. This worm belonged to her father, the Osmium King. The white worm is dead, however it speaks to her and says,

“listen closely, oh vengeance mine…”

The dead worm would later guide the three sisters to discover the ship Needle and consequently lead the sisters to discover their Worm gods on the Fundament.

The dialogue in this verse, “oh vengeance mine” is the same style of writing of all Ahamkara armour pieces. The Young Ahamkara’s spine reads

“ give me your arm, oh bearer mine. Let me help you fill the world with teeth”. The Claws of Ahamkara says, “Look at all this life, oh bearer mine. There is so much left to burn.”

The Sealed Ahamkara Grasps actually suggest that these are auditory hallucinations, it reads,

“Plating the Ahamkara bones in silver helps to quiet the auditory hallucinations… oh bearer mine.”

The similarities between the dialogue continues in Book of Sorrows, Verse 2:2 Out of the Deep. The verse describes the slaughter of many beings at a location known as Kaharn Atoll and from this the Worms are able to cut a wound in space and transport themselves from their planet. The Verse ends with

“Reality is a fine flesh, oh general ours. Let us feast of it.” Obviously, I direct relationship to the flavour text of the Skull of Dire Ahamkara “Reality is the finest flesh, oh bearer mine. And are you not hungry.”

Many believe that the similarities in dialogue between the worms and the Ahamkara indicates that they are of the same species. The dead white worm influenced the sisters and their actions, ultimately leading them to discover the Worm Gods, forming a symbiosis and beginning the never ending conquest. So, you may argue that Ahamkara pieces are trying to do the same, they speak to us and try to convince us to destroy and burn everything in our path.

Whilst the dialogue is an important piece of evidence to support the theory that the Ahamkara are the same as the Worms, the physical appearance of the Worms can also be used as evidence. Verse 1:9 The bargain, says this,

“I am Yul, the Honest Worm. Behold my passage. Behold my vast displacement, my ponderous strength, my great and coiling length, my folded jaws and curled wings.”

This dragon-like description combined with the previous dialogue led many people to believe that the Ahamkara and the Worms were one in the same.

Reddit user, Alloposollum argues that this further reinforces the translation of Worm to the Old English spelling, Wyrm, with a y. which means Dragon. However, completing my own search for the definition of the word Wyrm, many definitions did specify that it means a Dragon, however the definitions also specified it was a Dragon without wings or legs and hence the word was also synonymous with serpent or snake. Now, Destiny does have references to serpents. This is something I discussed in my first ahamkara video.

Regardless, the description of the Worms could be easily considered as Dragon-like.

The third piece of evidence occurs in Verse 5:3, I’d shut them all in cells. Xivu Arath, Oryx’s sister says this,

“The Dragons. Our gods should be ours alone. Their smug freedom is an insult to me. I’d shut them all in cells. Bring them to me!”

Now this can be interpreted multiple ways, to make this sentence support the Ahamkara being the Worms you have to read it in a certain way. The Dragons, Our gods, should be ours alone. Obviously, changing the punctuation changes the meaning completely, however, I can still see how the sentence can be interpreted this way. It is saying, the Dragons are their Gods, a.k.a the Worms.

Later in verse 5:4 the Gift Mast, it says a species known as the Harmony have aligned with the Dragons, and the Dragons have actually granted them wishes to allow them to fight off the Hive. It says this,

“turn to dragon-wishes, and their wishful bishops wrestle Xivu in the ascendant plane.”

For most, you would assume that this would instantly disproving of the Ahamkara/Worm theory, if the Worm gods are these dragons, then why would they empower another race, like the Harmony, to defeat the Hive. Well, it comes back to the overall goal of creating the final form of the Universe, the Worm Gods/Dragons do not really care about the Hive, the only care for the strongest species to continue, to continue to form the perfect Universe. However, for this to be true, it would mean that the Worm gods/Dragons formed another symbiosis with this other species, the Harmony, which there is not much evidence to suggest this.

A large piece of evidence that was not including in the Reddit posts, which I believe does give much weight to this theory, is the name of the Worms and the name of the Ahamkara. The worm gods are called, Akka, Yul, Eir, Xol and Ur. All of which are short names and most of which are three letter names.

You can speculate on two of the names of the Ahamkara, one is Eao, from the bones of Eao. And the other Nyx from the Fang of Nyx. The short three letter name similarity may also be a clue to the connection. I guess though, if you were to assume this, then you could apply the same assumption to Xur?

The last piece of evidence for the argument that the Ahamkara are the Worms, is that the Ahamkara were known for making bargains with guardians to increase their power and knowledge. The worms also made a bargain, there bargain was through symbiosis. The general theme of a bargain and granting power may indicate their relationship.

So in summary, the Ahamkara talk like, look like, are named like, and make bargains just like the Worm gods, hence the evidence they are one in the same.

Let’s move onto the argument against, the Ahamkara being the Worm Gods.

The first piece of evidence is that the Worms and the Ahamkara are biologically and structurally different. The Ahamkara armour pieces clearly depict are vertebral animal, whereas, assuming the Worms are similar to those we see on the Dreadnaught, they are invertebrates.

Consequently, you can conclude that they are two separate species. However, there is another counter argument to this and that is that the Ahamkara bones are not actually of the Ahamkara but are just linked with Ahamkara. I also discussed this in my first video, you may consider the Ahamkara bones, like a witch-doctors, or shamans, voodoo bones, enchanted so to speak. However, a counter argument to the counter argument would be that the armour pieces does say Ahamkara spine, implying vertebrae.

The second piece of evidence would be to address the similarities in dialogue between the Worms and the Ahamkara. On this topic, I agree with reddit user FacelessRuin, I don’t believe the similarities in dialogue proves that they are the same species but more likely that they worship or are influenced by the Deep/the Darkness and/or the worms.

I will add to this evidence with Verse 1:8, Leviathan. In this verse, Sathona, says,

“Let us dive, oh sisters mine.”

She is talking like the Worm and the Ahamkara, she has adopted that style of dialogue. Just because she speaks like the Dragon and like the Worms, it does not mean she is a Dragon or a Worm. What I believe it indicates is that she has been influence by the dead white Worm, brainwashed almost, to seek out the Worm Gods and the Deep. Remember, that the white worm is described as her “familiar”, the definition of familiar, is demon obeying and attending to a witch. This demon speaks to Sathona, whispers in her ear and influences her.

So using this evidence, you would argue that the Ahamkara, like Sathona, have been influenced by the Worms, to the point where their dialogue is similar.

To expand on this, you may speculate that the Ahamkara were also infected by the Worms. This can be supported by Verse 5:3 if you interpret this sentence differently than before,

“The Dragons. Our Gods should be ours alone. Their smug freedom is an insult to me. I’d shut them all in cells. Bring them to me!”

So you could interpret that the Ahamkara, the Dragons, also have made symbiosis with the Worms, and hence share the same God with the Hive. Xivu Arath is not happy about this and says “Our Gods should be ours alone.”

The third piece of evidence to disprove that the Ahamkara are the same as the Worms is to more closely look at the act of making a bargain. Previously, I mentioned that both the Ahamkara and the Worms made bargains, hence you could argue they are of the same species. However, you could equally argue that this disproves their relationship. In no grimoire card, is the Ahamkara mentioned to have formed symbiosis with another species. This is how the Worms made their bargains, it was through symbiosis only. Where-as Verse 5:4 speaks of Dragon wishes, with no mention of symbiosis. In the original cards, there is definitely no mention of the Ahamkara and symbiosis, just, plain, old bargains.

So lets move onto my opinion, it is based upon a portion of evidence that has been overlooked. In Verse 5:4 The Gift Mast, Xivu Arath battles the Harmony who have been empowered by the Dragons. The Harmony soldiers are called the Wishful Bishops. They fall into a deadlock. Now here is the important part, it says this about Savathun, the cunning sister, she send units who

“trick their way onto AnaHormony in disguises, so that they might vivisect these dragons. The Worm our God laughs and laughs. For a hundred years Savathun keeps secret covens among the Harmony.” Eventually the card continues with “Xivu Arath kills the wishful bishops, and Savathun achieves some secrete purpose.”

So I believe the clue is within the word “vivisect”. Now here is that warning I spoke about, it gets a bit graphic and feels more realistic because it reflects our own society. So feel free to leave.

I was not familiar with this word, vivisect, until I read the definition of vivisection and it is quite disturbing. So vivisection means “surgery conducted for experimental purposes on a living organism, typically animals with a central nervous system to view living internal structures.”

Within our society we have a number of acts, like the Animal Welfare Act, that protect animals from experimentation that causes pain. So scientist cannot cut open a live animal, to see how its insides work, without first giving it tranquilizers, analgesics and anaesthetics, UNLESS it is scientifically necessary to not give pain relief or tranquilise the animal.

Now this gets worse, also please be aware I am not an expert in this area, however this is my understanding from what I have read. Human vivisection, is something that has occurred in our own history during war. Prisons of war were experimented on, cut open, and obviously killed, and these experiments were conducted without anaesthesia, i.e. you are conscious, awake and without analgesic i.e. pain relief. Right, this is the story of nightmares, to be experimented on, tortured whilst being kept alive.

You likely have previously heard of Nazi human experimentation and the human experimentation completed as an execution method by the Khmer Rogue.

So, where I am I going with this, well, I am speculating that Savathun, the cunning, succeeded in her experimentation on the Ahamkara, on the Dragons. Quote

“Savathun achieves some secrete purpose”

I believe that the Ahamkara have been infected by the Hive, which is a common theme, throughout the Book of Sorrows, when the Hive cannot beat a species, they say, we will “infect their weaknesses”. Alternatively, maybe the vivisection of the Ahamkara involved the forceful implantation of a Worm.

Regardless, what Savathun achieved with her vivsection of the Dragons, I believe it explains why the Ahamkara speak like the Hive. This is why I believe the Ahamkara are not the Worms. However, I am keen for your opinion. If you believe the Ahamkara are the Worms, then leave the word, Wyrms, with a y, in the comment. If you agree with me, leave the word Dragon! In the comments.

Once again, it is pleasure to speak with you all, this is myelin games, I will see you next time.