What are the Weapons of Sorrow?

Exotic weapon lore

Weapons of Sorrow

Is your Light bright enough to stand, even briefly, in full gaze of the Hive’s abyss? Can it handle what has died and been reborn in those shadows?

Welcome back Guardians, in today’s Destiny Lore episode we are covering the Weapons of Sorrow. I will be focusing on what defines a Weapon of Sorrow and which weapons are true Weapons of Sorrow.

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Let’s begin with the two weapons that actually use the Phrase “Weapons of Sorrow” in their description or quest line, this will allow us to better understand the criteria that defines a Weapon of Sorrow. The two weapons that actually mention the phrase Weapons of Sorrow, include Necrochasm and Thorn.

The Necrochasm grimoire card reads,

“The Weapons of Sorrow were believed to be nothing more than a myth. But even the darkest myths are born of some truths, and whispers of the Necrochasm have long filled the Light with dread”

and the Year One exotic bounty for Thorn reads,

“The Weapons of Sorrow were born from forbidden use of the Hive’s dark power. We thought them eradicated. But recent developments suggest one of these weapons may still exist in the Hive’s Summoning Pits.”

Comparing Necrochasm and Thorn we can extract some common elements about the Weapons of Sorrow. The first is that both are 1. Guardian Weapons. The grimoire card for Necrochasm says this,

“That a lost Guardian’s weapon was altered by the Hive in an attempt to fuse their own dark understanding with humanity’s mastery of war.”

And the Thorn grimoire card says this,

“Augmented through dark practices, Thorn was once a hero’s weapon”.

So, I do believe that the first criteria for a Weapon of Sorrow, is that it is a Guardian weapon.

You may have also noticed a second common element between Necrochasm and Thorn, which is that the weapon appears to be  2. Altered by Hive powers/sorcery. Once again, the Necrochasm says,

“altered by the Hive”

and Thorn’s card says,

“Augmented though Dark practices”

and

“a powerful connection to the unutterable sorceries of the Hive.”

Interestingly, the grimoire cards almost imply that the Hive themselves alter the weapon, however in the Thorn exotic bounty quest line it mentions that

“The Weapons of Sorrow were born from forbidden use of the Hive’s dark power.”

Specifically saying, “forbidden use” gives me the impression, that a crazy Guardian with the knowledge of the Hive could alter a weapon to form a Weapon of Sorrow.  So, I believe the second criteria is just that the weapon must be altered by Hive power or sorcery, BUT this can either be by the Hive themselves or via someone who understands the Hive very well *cough* Toland… *cough* Eris Morn.

So far the criteria for the Weapons of Sorrow includes, 1. It must have been a guardian weapon and 2. Altered via Hive power. Now for the Third criteria, which is, 3. Hunger. Both Necrochasm and Thorn are described as almost alive and they are hungry. At first I thought that they were only Hungry for the Light, to eat and consume the light, however, it appears the hunger is more general, and killing the Hive will also suffice.

If you remember how you obtain Necrochasm, you must first receive Husk of the Pit. Once you have Husk of the Pit you must upgrade it and the only way you can upgrade it, is by killing the Hive. The upgrade module reads

“Cannibalism. The Husk exudes a sense of sinister satisfaction when used to expire it’s former allies.”

And once you upgrade Husk of the Pit to Eidolon ally it reads,

“We thought it was inanimate but it has grown… changed. Ghost refuses to analyse it further but I secretly believe it has become my friend.”

The exotic bounty for Thorn reads,

“The weapon seems dead… but hungry. The lingering energies of the Hive you’ve defeated seep into the weapon.”

And

“The Hand Cannon seethes with the Dark energies of the Hive you’ve defeated. It seems… Eager for more power.”

SO, I believe the Third criteria is that Weapons of Sorrow are alive and you must feed them through killing.

The fourth criteria I believe is that Weapons of Sorrow 4. Influence the wielder. This influence may be physical or it may be psychological. The Necrochasm card reads,

“Eternity is very close. Can you feel yourself slipping?”,

which could be a psychological influence and

“The result was a weapon that would feed on its owner’s aggression”,

which would be a physical influence.

The Thorn exotic quest line reads,

“There is Darkness in this weapon. You can hear its whispers urging you on”

and

“This is the weapon of Dredgen Yor, whose name is now a curse. It has not yet claimed you completely, guardian. Be thankful for that. I can stop the blight from spreading. But you must cleanse the weapon and yourself with an infusion of light”.

On the topic of influence, obviously Thorn has the actually story of Dredgen Yor and his transformation. SO, I believe that the fourth criteria for a weapon of sorrow is that it influences and affects the wielder.

Now there is potential a fifth and sixth Weapon of Sorrow criteria, which includes 5. Evolution and that it 6. Contains Ascendant soul. I tend to agree with the guys at Focused Fire Chat and that these are only maybes and here is why. In regards to evolution, Necrochasm has distinct stages of Evolution, from Husk of the Pit, to Eidolon Ally, to Necrochasm. However, Thorn does not have these distinct evolution stages. Many would argue that the Hand cannon Rose transformed into Thorn, however, an equally plausible argument is that Thorn was always Thorn, and dredgen yor did not see its true nature until he himself was corrupted. The sixth potential criteria is that Weapons of Sorrow “contains a Hive ascendant soul”. However, this too is not set in stone, as Necrochasm requires the Crux of Crota, from defeating Crota in the Raid, but Thorn does not have a similar component. HOWEVER we still do kill an ascendant Hive in the exotic bounty to create it Thorn, which is the Wizard Xyor, The Unwed. Depending on your interpretation of the grimoire cards and item descriptions these two criteria could also define the Weapons of Sorrow, so keep that in mind.

  1. Must be a guardian weapon

  2. Altered by Hive rituals

  3. Hunger

  4. Influences the wielder.

Now let’s apply what I think to be the most definitive criteria of the Weapons of Sorrow to other weapons.

First up, is Touch of Malice. 1. Was it a guardian weapon? Yes. Eris says that she will forge a weapon frame in the exotic quest line, it reads,

“These are indeed the materials I would need to build a frame for the type of weapon of which we spoke. I see your curiosity got the better of you. Much like Toland… I cannot say I am not glad of it. Very well. I shall begin.”

Second criteria, was it altered by Hive power or sorcery? I would say also yes, this is exactly why we need to use Eris to create the weapon. Furthermore, Eris seems to be using some Hive knowledge from Toland’s journal, the quest reads,

“Toland’s Journals speak of three powerful relics, guarded within the innermost sanctum of Oryx’s Dreadnaught. I have never been able to parse their purpose, but perhaps they relate to these mysterious fragments…”.

The links to Toland only further reinforces that Hive power was used in Touch of Malice’s creation.

Next is Hunger. Is the Touch of Malice hungry and alive? Eris says this about the weapon,

“Guardian, these fragments seethe with a terrible, painful power that I can barely describe. It is suffering beyond measure, but it is also strength: and desperate motivation to devour whole worlds in their search for the satisfaction that will never be theirs. Perhaps the closest word is “hunger”. One more essence of the feast eludes us. Find it, and I will unearth the answers it holds.

In addition, the Touch of Malice has game mechanics which accurately reflect its hunger. The weapon feeds off the light of Guardians to allow infinite bullets and also feeds off the death of others returning health with 3 consecutive kills.

Lastly, the fourth criteria, influences the wielder, can also be satisfied with the in game mechanics which has the gun feed off the Guardians light to fuel the ammo. I do not think that too many will disagree with Touch of Malice being classified as a Weapon of Sorrow, not to mention you collect calcified fragments which form the Books of Sorrow.

However, another weapon that is often disputed as a Weapon of Sorrow is Bad Juju.

So let’s have a closer look and once again we have to use the year one exotic bounties to discover this information. We build bad juju using an infused pulse rifle, therefore it satisfies criteria one i.e. a guardian weapon. I believe it also satisfies criteria two, which is the use of Hive power/sorcery because we use knowledge from Toland’s journal to create it. And lastly both criteria 3 (hunger) and criteria 4 (influence the wielder) is satisfied with the exotic bounty which reads,

“Whenever you hold the weapon, your Ghost begins to look… delicious. It’s probably best to bring this to the Gunsmith as soon as possible.”

And this information from the grimoire card which reads

“There must be a structured, mechanical explanation for this weapon’s hunger for combat. There must be. But none has been found.”

I believe that Bad Juju is as much as a Weapon of Sorrow as is Touch of Malice, Necrochasm and Thorn. Further more, it does share a similar symbol on its weapon frame, as seen on thorn and in the scope of Necrochasm.

In regards to other weapons commonly thought to be Weapons of Sorrow, unfortunately, there is inadequate information regarding Black Spindle to determine if it is a Weapon of Sorrow, Red Death I believe would not classify because it is not influenced by the Hive and exotic swords could be a possibility. Honestly, I would need to spend some time looking at the Exotic sword quest lines and see if it would suit this criteria, if you have already done this, be sure to let me know in the comments below.

The question is, do more weapons of sorrow exist without our knowledge. Ikora Rey was provided with Toland’s Journal after we completed the quest line for Bad Juju, a journal containing massive amounts of Hive knowledge. I wonder if she used that knowledge to fashion a new weapon… I mean her shotgun, invective, is branded with the same symbol seen on Bad Juju, Thorn and necrochasm…

That concludes this latest Destiny Lore episode and if you would like support the channel, leave the word “Invective”, I am sure this will confuse those who do not watch the whole video, but mainly to acknowledge the appearance of the hive symbol on invective in the new Rise of Iron ornaments! What this means, I do not know but I hope it is linked to some new lore on the Weapons of Sorrow. As usual it has been a pleasure, this is myelin games peace.