Tex Mechanica’s been making guns since before the City’s Walls went up. You got no idea what it was like before the City. Before the Walls. That’s the world for which Tex Mechanica was making weapons. You’ve heard of The Last Word. But have you heard of the gun that came before it? The Last Word…and the First Curse. Sisters. Partners. But one was lost to fire—and with it, the memory of how to forge it. It’s strange, though. Strange to think that two sisters could grow so far apart.
Welcome back guardians. Today we are discussing the First Curse Thorn theory, i.e. First Curse was Dredgen Yor’s original hand cannon that eventually transformed into Thorn. I Obviously I will discuss all the evidence that links First Curse with Thorn but also address major rebuttals, like, “Isn’t Rose the precursor hand cannon to Thorn?”
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Also, I had a detailed discussion with Captain Kex about this topic and I highly recommend checking out his LORG chart, he has basically visually represented all of the grimoire cards in destiny, showing their connections with each other. An excellent resource for any lore seeker, link is in the description. Also, a big thank you to the guys at Destiny LoreCast, an excellent podcast solely dedicated to the lore of Destiny, they shared the show notes which featured Betacheiftan, which had a huge amount of lore on this topic. Link to their podcast is also in the description.
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When First Curse was released during The Taken King, I actually made a speculation video somewhat covering this topic. I speculated that Dredgen Yor and Jaren Ward were twins, both receiving the twin hand canons, Dredgen Yor receiving The First Curse and Jaren Ward receiving the last word. Link is on screen if you would like to watch that video.
However, everything in that video is purely speculation, and I want to take a closer look to see if we can link the First Curse with Thorn.
Let’s start with the most obvious. The reference to the word “Curse”. Obviously, the gun is called “The First Curse”, and Dredgen Yor’s story takes place in the very early days of the City, Dredgen Yor is also thought to have encountered the Hive on the moon illustrated by his conversation with bandits in the Ghost Fragment: Thorn 2 card, hence he may be one of the First to be corrupted by the Darkness due to his contact with the Hive.
There are also multiple references to a curse in thorn grimoire cards. In ghost Fragment: thorn 3 Dredgen Yor is talking with his ghost about his Hand Cannon thorn. It reads,
“[u.1:0.9] I find no laughing matter in your path.
[u.2:1.0] Only in the journey.
[u.1:1.0] What brought you here was nobility.
[u.2:1.1] And my prize.
[u.1:1.1] That is no prize.
[u.2:1.2] A curse then?
[u.1:1.2] I would say.
[u.2:1.3] And I would disagree.
[u.1:1.3] You are no longer yourself.
[u.2:1.4] I am myself. It’s who I was that’s gone.”
And in the Year 1 exotic bounty for Thorn it says,
“This is the weapon of Dredgen Yor, whose name is now a curse.”
And in Ghost Fragment: The Last Word 4, when Shin Malphur finally kills Dredgen Yor, the card reads,
“I walked to his corpse. He never raised his cursed Thorn – the jagged gun with the festering sickness. I looked down at the dead man who had caused so much death.”
The reference to Thorn as a cursed weapon makes it hard to not link it with the First curse. The word Curse is almost exclusively associated with the Hive in the grimoire cards, further strengthening that the First Curse is someway associated with the Hive.
Furthermore, the questline for The First Curse is called Imprecation. Imprecation means a
I cannot help but think that this quest line is reference the spoken Curse that the Hive wizard Xyor, yes the wizard in the Thorn bounty quest line, placed upon Rezyl Azzir. Yes, if you have not seen my Dredgen Yor’s identity video, it is highly possible that Rezyl Azzir is Dredgen Yor. Anyway, have a listen to the spoken curse that Xyor places upon Rezyl Azzir in the Legends and Mysteries: Rezyl Azzir grimoire card.
“The demon approached the writhing hero. As she spoke her violent words began to take shape, morphing from syllables of death to a known offering of haunted human languages.
The demon woman leaned in close… and whispered, intimately. Rezyl’s ears bled as she spoke.
I am the end of ‘morrows. Xyor, the Blessed. Xyor, the Betrothed. I am of the coming storm. These are not my words, but prophesy. Your Light will one day shatter and die. For now it simply offends… And you, dear, sweet, fragile thing, shall be made to suffer for your transgressions upon this holy ground. As the witch fell silent, her hateful voice was replaced by a growing chorus of hungry, manic chittering and the rising thunder of an approaching flood.
Rezyl had come looking for the terrors that hide just beyond the light. He found them. Or, maybe… …they found him.”
Is this the spoken curse, the first curse to corrupt a guardian, the Imprecation.
Let’s now move onto another very specific word that links the First Curse and Thorn. The word “prize”. Remember that First Curse and The Last Word are made by the foundry Tex Mechanica. Tex Mechanica does not have the best track record, not only did they try and bribe Lord Shaxx but we also bribe them in the Chaperone quest line, to receive the exotic shotgun. The reason why I bring this up, is the rewards during these events are called prizes. The Chaperone quest line reads,
“”Come one, come all, to Tex Mechanica’s first Shotgun Extravaganza! The prize is the finest shotgun in all the system—based on a design by the Tower’s own Amanda Holliday!” —S. Barnes Davis, Tex Mechanica
Dredgen Yor refers to Thorn as a prize on multiple occasions. From Ghost Fragment: Thorn 2 we have Yor speaking to the men
[u.2:3.7] You wanted to see my prize.
From Ghost Fragment: Thorn 3 we have Yor’s Ghost and Yor
[u.1:1.0] What brought you here was nobility.
[u.2:1.1] And my prize.
[u.1:1.1] That is no prize.
[u.2:1.2] A curse then?
From Ghost Fragment: Thorn 4 we have Jaren’s Ghost and Yor
[u.2:1.1] His cannon? Nice piece of hardware.
[u.2:1.2] Well-worn, but clean. Smooth hammer.
[u.1:1.1] It was his prize.
Whilst the crucible may not yet have existed in these early days, we do know that Tex Mechanica was around. Banshee-44 says this.
“You got no idea what it was like before the City. Before the Walls. That’s the world for which Tex Mechanica was making weapons.” —Banshee-44”
So the speculation is, the fact that Dredgen Yor refers to Thorn as his “prize” connects the hand cannon to Tex Mechanica and the most obvious hand cannon that Tex mechanica made that would be related to dredgen yor would be the First Curse.
I am going to hope that at this stage you can at least see the plausibility of The First Curse being Dredgen Yor’s weapon due to the use of the words, Curse and Prize, and now I would like to even talk about how First Curse can appear like a weapon of Sorrow or at least a precursor to a weapon of sorrow.
The in-game text for the exotic First Curse quest line reads,
“They said the First Curse was so powerful, its wielder didn’t even need to think about killing. The killing just happened.” —S. Barnes Davis, Tex Mechanica
This gives me the impression that the First Curse can affect the wielder, influencing the wielder like this, especially for killing, is a weapon of sorrow trait. I have an entire video on the traits of Weapons of Sorrows but in short, they are often hunger for killing and death, with a preference for consuming the light and weapons of sorrow seem to be alive, corrupting those who wield them.
Thorn is confirmed as a Weapon of Sorrow, so the fact that the First Curse possess some traits distinctly related to the weapons of sorrow, strengthens the argument that the First Curse became Thorn. However, it is also a bit strange, because I would not think that the Hand Canon would possess these dark traits until it transformed to Thorn. It may also imply that Tex Mechanica did something to First Curse before gifting it to dredgen yor, however I do not think that is quite right either.
Let’s move onto the major criticism of the Thorn/First Curse theory, and that is, Isn’t Rose the hand cannon that Dredgen Yor wielded before he became corrupted?
I believe that Rose and Thorn are the same gun, during the same time period and the only thing that is different is the perspective. There is quite a bit of evidence that Rose is not a pre-cursor to Thorn but is the same weapon just seen from a different perspective.
For example, say you took an actual Rose, a flower, and you just looked at it from top, you would only the petals, its beauty, this is how Dredgen Yor saw his hand canon, a weapon of good, he used it as a hero, but as Dredgen Yor became corrupted, his perspective changed and saw his weapon from a different angle (insert side profile rose) now he could see all the angry thorns. So consider this metaphor with these next grimoire cards,
In Ghost Fragment Thorn 2 Dredgen Yor points the weapon at a Bandit’s head and says,
“[u.2:4.2] Open your eyes.
[u.2:4.3] Not many get such a clean view.
[u.2:4.4] The bone…You see it. Jagged, like thorns.
[u.2:4.5] I used to think of it as a rose…
[u.2:4.6] Focusing on its bloom.
[u.2:4.7] But the bloom is just a byproduct of its anger.”
And this from Ghost Fragment: Thorn
“In his first moments as a new being, he looked down at his Rose and realized for the first time that it held no petals: only the jagged purpose of angry thorns.”
It was not until Dredgen Yor was completely corrupted that he realized Thorn and Rose were the same gun, realized for the first time, that it held no petals, just thorns. Furthermore, the fact that the Thorn ornaments reference Rose, further strengths that Thorn and Rose are one in the same.
If this is true, this at least makes it plausible that the First Curse was the original guardian weapon that was transformed with Hive rituals to become Thorn. Exactly, how this occurred we do not really know. However, we do know that Thorn’s creation is linked with the Hive Wizard Xyor, the original year 1 Thorn bounty says this about Thorn,
“The speaker examines you, and then the weapon. The corruption still lingers. You must seek out and sever the weapon’s bond with its Hive master. Ikora Rey, the Warlock Vanguard, may know more.”
Ikora Rey then says,
“Kill Xyor, The Unwed.”
So Xyor, the Unwed, is the Hive master of thorn. The most detailed encounter with Xyor from the Grimoire cards is when Rezyl Azzir is cursed by her in the Hellmouth. You can see that there are little fragments of this story scattered everyway and the truth still escapes me. Also remember that the origin story of the Thorn released with Rise of Iron is different than the original Thorn in year 1.
Just remember guardian, Tex Mechanica’s been making guns since before the City’s Walls went up, That’s the world for which Tex Mechanica was making weapons, lawless, desperate, anything to push back the darkness. People always forget about the other one. The first one. They remember its twin, the Last Word, because that’s an easier story to tell. But it’s not the whole story.
Truth is, there were two of ’em, back then in the lawless days before the City was anything more than a rumor. There are thousands of tales of the fate of The First Curse, which one will you tell?
That concludes this latest Destiny Lore episode, if you would like to support the channel and cannot think of a comment, leave the word, Imprecation, to represent the spoken curse delivered by Xyor to Rezyl Azzir, the curse the began the corruption and ultimately downfall of Dredgen Yor.
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